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#1
10-30-2014, 04:28 PM
 dougiezerts Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 6
General Puzzle Help Needed

Hi! I get confused easily by less than-greater than, and also before-after clues. A couple examples:
"John's meal was more than the chickin, but \$2 less than Mr Smith's meal."
"Max performed before the guitarist, but just after Mr Johnson."
Do any of you have advice on good ways to approach these types of clues? I would really appreciate it!
#2
10-30-2014, 04:45 PM
 mikeyjay402000 Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 1

Get a piece of paper and write it down in a column in the order they go, first to last, cheapest to most expensive, youngest to oldest. So on your second example, you could first note:

Max
Guitarist

Then add the other one:

Mr. Johnson
Max
Guitarist
#3
10-30-2014, 04:52 PM
 saranlee Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 10

I tend to re-write the clues so that I can see what is happening. for example:
chickn 1, 2, 3
John 2, 3, 4
Smith 4 (since he is 2 more than John), 5, 6
in this ex you know that John's last name is not Smith, John doesn't eat chickn, and Mr. Smith also doesn't eat chickn.
the other ex is similer with Johnson 1, Max 2, guitarist 3.
One other thing to notice is that the clue doesn't say exactly how many steps are between chickn and John. So say John = 3, Smith will be = 5 (two more than John), but chickn can be 1 or 2. Hope this helps.
#4
10-30-2014, 09:03 PM
 Quazar Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 33

Plenty of folks here are much (much) better than I am, but here are some approaches that don't require too much thought (so quick, mechanical once you get used to them):

"John's meal was more than the chicken, but \$2 less than Mr Smith's meal."

John's wasn't least expensive (perhaps the chicken was, can't say).
Chicken wasn't most expensive (since John's meal, not chicken, was more than that).
Smith's wasn't least expensive, by two (since John's has to be \$2 less than his).
John's meal wasn't chicken (implied by first part).

"Max performed before the guitarist, but just after Mr Johnson."

Max didn't perform last (he's not the guitarist and that guy must follow him).
Max didn't perform first (but after Mr. Johnson at some point).
Mr. Johnson didn't perform last (Max followed him).

Maybe those X's will get you headed in the right direction, good luck!
#5
10-31-2014, 09:56 AM
 tjsrc Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 22

What everyone else said, but you could also split it up into two or more clues:

"John's meal was more than the chicken, but \$2 less than Mr Smith's meal."

First off:
Neither John nor Mr. Smith are chicken in this case.

But you can re-phase after that to:

John's meal was more than the chicken
John's meal was \$2 less than Mr Smith's
Mr. Smith's meal was more than the chicken
#6
10-31-2014, 03:50 PM
 dougiezerts Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 6

Thanks for all your suggestions!

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