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#1
04-25-2018, 03:39 PM
 SansPitie Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2018 Posts: 3
How many puzzles do people actually do?

According to the leader boards, the top players do something like 1000+ puzzles each month! That's like 35 a day! I don't know about you, but I actually have a life.
#2
04-25-2018, 10:52 PM
 Ella Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 15

Quote:
 Originally Posted by SansPitie According to the leader boards, the top players do something like 1000+ puzzles each month! That's like 35 a day! I don't know about you, but I actually have a life.
Well, here are stats for a puzzle I just finished:

This Puzzle's Statistics
Puzzle Type: 4x7 Easy
Success Rate: 54.9%
Penalty Rate: 22.9%
Median Time: 528 seconds
Record Time: 128 seconds by chelsini
Your Time: 466 seconds

So, while I'm SLOW, the best players are doing it in about 2-3 minutes. If they do 35 puzzles a day at 2-3 minutes each, that's an hour or two. I'd guess many people leave the puzzles up at work and do them during breaks or lunch or after work... It's not that much time if you are someone who can do each puzzle in the fastest times, and those are the people who have the high scores.
#3
04-26-2018, 03:50 PM
 fransansisco Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2017 Location: SF Posts: 5

I do them at night when I'm watching TV and winding down (or sometimes when I'm procrastinating on schoolwork...). I'm in the 4x5 moderates which take me usually 2-3 minutes each, so an hour or an hour and a half most days makes sense.
#4
04-26-2018, 11:07 PM
 johoff Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 1

Quote:
 Originally Posted by SansPitie According to the leader boards, the top players do something like 1000+ puzzles each month! That's like 35 a day! I don't know about you, but I actually have a life.
Here's my stats
Member Since:
June 10, 2013
Total Points:
121341 points
Total Played:
843 puzzles
Total Solved:
841 puzzles
Success Rate:
99.8%
Average Score:
144.3 points

I play 2 or 3 games a night most nights.
#5
04-27-2018, 06:25 AM
 contrary Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Posts: 21

This is a low month for me because I've got a lot going on, but my official monthly stats of ~300 second average is well over what my actual average is. Probably from when I forget I have a puzzle open for a few hours.

I'm mostly on the 4x5 hard, and I typically do 3 puzzles at a time in ~5-8 minutes as a quick break. On a normal day I probably do between 30min to 1hr of puzzles, where 1 hr would put me on the order of 1k puzzles.

Edit to add: Some is also due to my cat deciding to increase the difficulty by sitting in front of the clues.

Last edited by contrary; 04-27-2018 at 07:06 AM.
#6
04-28-2018, 01:57 AM
 s10wanderer Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2018 Posts: 2

I work a job that requires me to be awake and alert, but not much else (at least on calm nights). There are nights like tonight where the book I brought ended up to be a disapointment and games are a nice end to the week. I don't play games when I'm not at work... but at work they have kept me awake many a night when I didn't sleep enough the day before.
#7
04-30-2018, 11:01 AM
 uigrad Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Posts: 112

I decided I wanted to be in the top 10 one month (June 2014). So, I timed myself on each type of puzzle. I spent 10+ minutes on each type of easy puzzle (3x4 easy, 3x5 easy, etc), and calculated which one gave me the best ratio.

I discovered that my best ratio was 4x4 easy puzzles. Getting 5 points per second I spend solving was possible in rare occasions, but for me 5:1 was not achievable long-term. I was able to maintain a 2:1 ratio pretty easily (ie. spending 110 seconds solving a puzzle that gives me 220 points out of 290), and sometimes approached a 3:1 ratio (ie. spending 85 seconds solving a puzzle that gives me 255 points out of 290).

So, in that month, I worked my butt off. I did solve a few at work, but most of my solving time was evenings and weekends. I scored 480010 points that month (I think I was aiming for 480000 exactly, but overshot a little). Assuming a 2:1 ratio of points to seconds, I spent 66.66 hours that month. Since there are 30 days days in June, that works out to 2.22 hours per day. Not bad for getting 6th place that month!

I'm much faster at solving these puzzles now than I was then, but it's harder to get the same number of points now, because the records on the puzzles are better. Also, there are a lot more players now, so getting the same number of points (480010) wouldn't even get me in the top 10 this month!

Basically, nothing about the top solvers of the month surprises me. I know that it would be a ton of work to get in the top 10 again, but I could do it, if I really cared enough. The top few solvers each month put in far more time than I could ever imagine myself spending on these puzzles, but the world is big, and it doesn't surprise me that there are few people who spend nearly every waking moment playing, and I'm sure that they are faster than me also.

Quote:
 Originally Posted by SansPitie I don't know about you, but I actually have a life.
I don't know about you, but my first experiences on the internet (1990's) taught me that you don't ever go on a forum site and ridicule others about how much time they spend on the site. It's just a way to get everyone to hate you. You may get a few people to take your side, but what do you accomplish? An internet war? Those things haven't been cool since the days of Usenet (30+ years ago now).

Last edited by uigrad; 04-30-2018 at 11:20 AM.
#8
05-03-2018, 02:52 PM
 pidgeon92 Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2017 Location: Chicago IL Posts: 7

I like to do the challenging puzzles. I'm not so fast, and I usually do them while having lunch, so my points total stinks. I do one or two a day at the 4x5 or 4x6 size. I also do one or two on iPhone apps (Quick Logic and Logic Daily) which have a daily puzzles.
#9
05-04-2018, 01:11 PM
 Redsteph1966 Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Louisiana Posts: 1

[quote=uigrad;4688]Basically, nothing about the top solvers of the month surprises me. I know that it would be a ton of work to get in the top 10 again, but I could do it, if I really cared enough. The top few solvers each month put in far more time than I could ever imagine myself spending on these puzzles, but the world is big, and it doesn't surprise me that there are few people who spend nearly every waking moment playing, and I'm sure that they are faster than me also.

UIgrad, you play many of the same puzzles I do, and I will never be as fast as you are. I can't imagine getting into the top 10. Good Job!
#10
05-07-2018, 01:01 PM
 uigrad Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Posts: 112

Redsteph, yes, I've seen your name in the comments many times! We do play many of the same puzzles!

The way scoring is done is honestly a bit annoying. I detailed how the scoring formula works a while ago. If you are curious, then I can look it up.

But, if you are consistently much closer to the top time than the median (like I am), then the scoring per puzzle is rather level. I try to be faster because it's fun, but if I spend 20% longer on a puzzle than normal, I only lose about 5% of my points.

If you are consistently near the median, then things are different. The amount of points you get for each puzzle you play will vary dramatically. If you take 30% longer on a puzzle than normal, you will lose nearly 90% of your points!

I honestly think that the system punishes average rate solvers too much. I'm sure that the idea of giving more points to those who solve puzzles faster makes some sense, but it's not really necessary because those who solve slower are already disadvantaged for trophies, simply because they can't finish as many puzzles in the same amount of time!

So, basically as the system stands today, the hall of fame honors people who spend the most time on the site, but it is restricted only to people who can solve puzzles considerably faster than the minimum.

But, you can't argue that it's not successful. Getting in the top 10 or top 20 is a really alluring goal. Some people are fast solvers but don't spend enough time on the site, others spend enough time on the site, but are not fast enough. Trying to succeed at both is what makes people keep trying. As a result, the site membership has grown quite fast, even with minimal attention from the site owner, so it's hard to argue too much with the concept!

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