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mcgalas 10-09-2008 07:07 PM

Possible Problem or Issue - 31 Sec Solve time?
I just initialized a new puzzle and saw the record for it is 31 seconds (derek). I am guessing this is a bug so figured I would share.

I've solved a puzzle in something like 120 seconds... but there really is no valid possible way someone could do it in 31 seconds, is there?

The Puzzle in Question has the following facts before the puzzle:
Wedding Years = 1921, 1941, 1944, 1971, 1974
First Names = Alyssa, Hayley, Linda, Meredith, Nicolas
Wood, Boxwood, Cedar, Chestnut, Maple, Oak
Pets = Dog, Frog, Hamster, Parrot, Pirhana

Hope that is enough info.

Amanda 10-10-2008 08:41 AM

I found another record time of 38 seconds (derek) --no, we're not picking on you:

Wedding Years
1921, 1941, 1943, 1973, 1989

First Names
Alexa, Arianna, Claudia, Georgia, Ximena

Honda, Jaguar, Kia, Oldsmobile, Volkswagen

Last Names
Alston, Conner, Duncan, French, Houston

mikiboop 10-12-2008 08:35 PM

The answers require at least 30 mouse clicks: two for each of the correct answers. That is one click per second if you only mark the positive answers. Personally, I do the puzzles just for fun. I know that there are patterns to the clues and answers, but that would spoil my fun and defeat the purpose of puzzles.

sarah.paggen 12-02-2008 04:14 AM

I think I know how he did it...
I think I can give you an answer on this. I almost always rate the puzzles and twice I have been unable to rate a puzzle that I just finished because I rated it before. I'm guessing that's because I played it before! I know from reading the posts that some people make separate spreadsheets when playing. My guess is that they keep their old answers and compared the columns on the first page to previously completed puzzles and all they had to do was fill in the green marks to be done!

I know some people might think this is cheating, but until all the bugs are worked out of the site, I call it pretty smart!

bowl231 12-02-2008 04:39 PM

I have seen a few which were below a valid amount
the latest was 29 seconds (hazeleyes262000)
this is below a 1/2 minute which is pretty much impossible
these are either a big bug or cheating.

Honestly anything under at least one minute but in my opinion
under two minutes (120 seconds) is not really valid.
I am hoping a bug but there are way too many people out there
that need to feel special so they do cheat All those should be
deleted as the Record

I really love this game and try to ignore the scores

sarah.paggen 12-03-2008 06:01 AM

I guess I just figure eventually we won't get the same puzzle a second time. Then you'd have to play puzzles either as a guest or under another login to see the same one twice.

That's cheating, but someone will always cheat to try to make themselves look better, and they will almost always be caught by someone. The competition is fun, but I think just playing is more fun!

brandx 12-04-2008 10:26 AM

sarah is right! people are keeping a record and replaying them if the puzzles appear again. must be leading very fruitful and productive life.

Laura 12-07-2008 05:13 AM

Well, I just solved one that I had earlier today and it still took me almost 10 minutes. :o

I've also been astounded by the super quick solves because I find solving these is a heck of a lot slower than solving cryptograms. Of course, I have walked away to do something else and then forgot I was in the middle of a puzzle, only to come back the next morning and find it still sitting there. However, after 2 months of doing these my average has come down from about 30 minutes to usually about 10.

But I'm pretty impressed by some of the scores here. Even though it's hard to believe the ones under 1 minute.

mcgalas 12-12-2008 09:32 PM

Possible Solutions to prevent "cheating"?
Frankly, I don't care that much if people are cheating (er, looking up the answers) because its just their time they are wasting... but we might as well make this as good and fair as possibles since it is so popular.

One possible solution to prevent cheating is to not give out the options and categories to start? That way if they do still want to look it up, they must take the time to do so during their actual game (which I'm sure they can still do and still get fairly fast times, but at least it would help slow them down).

I would be curious to see how many people actually read through them and think having them really helps before you start vs spending 5 sec and looking at the grid (which then makes you remember where they are too)?

Just some thoughts to try and help improve the site. Thanks.

flutefish 12-17-2008 02:43 AM

fast times
I will say that I have solved a puzzle in less than 2 minutes (120 sec) before, and under 200 seconds very often. And I have never used a spreadsheet or saved my answers. Don't quite know how Derek gets his fast times, but under 2 minutes is doable.

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