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Old 04-14-2014, 10:53 AM
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Default The World Championship of Logic Puzzles

I keep telling myself this when I complete a 4x5 challenge type in 25mins and notice that smyth1mm or some of the best players have a record time of 2 minutes. If any person who was really good and quick at Logic Puzzles, it wouldn't take them long to find us all here, would it? All our fastest solvers and best solvers are here for anyone to challenge them and their skills. So by inference, this IS the World Championship venue for Logic Puzzle solvers. So the person here at 100th are not only 100th here they are most probably the 100th best in the world.

Does anyone agree with me or not?

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Old 04-14-2014, 02:58 PM
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I don't know, Stanstar, but I am sure that some of the players on here must be among the best anywhere. I do only 4x7 challenging puzzles, but can't seem to get any better than about 12 minutes on the average, despite having spent many years doing logic puzzles lots more difficult than these. Yet, there are several people on here that can do these puzzles in half that time, and less. I am amazed.
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Old 04-14-2014, 04:08 PM
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I don't know, Stanstar, but I am sure that some of the players on here must be among the best anywhere. I do only 4x7 challenging puzzles, but can't seem to get any better than about 12 minutes on the average, despite having spent many years doing logic puzzles lots more difficult than these. Yet, there are several people on here that can do these puzzles in half that time, and less. I am amazed.
Hi Blab, Wow 12 minutes, wish I could. I did about 3 4x5's in succession earlier today without writing anything down on paper in 600-680 secs. thats about 10 - 11 minutes and I was chuffed. The next six or so I tried the same and had to use a pen and paper to keep track of the greater/lesser clues as there were about six different ones. These ones ended up being about 25 mins. I know that if I write them down I take time. When I am straining my brain trying to remember all the positions it isn't a lot of fun. Our champ here Zenobia43 has given me lots of tips and encouragement, however my brain can only go as fast as it is capable of going without losing information. Talking about speed now: I used to play competitive chess for 30 years and I could beat some players 10 out of 10 games of 5 minute chess. That is each player has 5mins on his/her clock to complete the whole game. These same players I could beat every time at fast chess, I hadn't a chance of winning 1 game out of 10 playing at a slow speed of 2 hours for 40 moves each. That is a 4 hour game.
So there is something to be said for slow and thorough calculations.
Quality of thought sometimes outstrips speed of thought.

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Old 04-14-2014, 06:46 PM
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I don't know, Stanstar, but I am sure that some of the players on here must be among the best anywhere. I do only 4x7 challenging puzzles, but can't seem to get any better than about 12 minutes on the average, despite having spent many years doing logic puzzles lots more difficult than these. Yet, there are several people on here that can do these puzzles in half that time, and less. I am amazed.
Hi again Blab, where are there more difficult puzzles than these? I like difficult!

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Old 04-15-2014, 03:54 AM
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Hi, Stanstar. My favorite is Logic Lovers Puzzles by Dell. It's a book that you can either buy at magazine counters or order by mail. They rate the puzzles by difficulty and it's the four and especially five-star puzzles that you will really like. These four and five-star puzzles don't have grids, and you will definitely need a notebook to complete them--and usually, several hours. Have fun!
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Is there anyone here that thinks this is not the venue for the world championship of logic puzzle solving?
I know not of any other.

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Unfortunately, it would probably be possible for someone to create a computer program to solve these puzzles. I don't know what sorts of mechanisms they have in place to prevent cheating, but I know they had to ban someone over on the Cryptograms section for it. Unless you can validate that everyone here is a human being, you wouldn't be able to officially crown them the world champion.

That said, this is probably still a pretty good indicator, and I like seeing my own progress against the average times as I learn new tricks. It's sometimes a consoling thought for me that the solvers on here are most likely naturally selected to be better than average at puzzling solving.
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I think at best this could be the English-speaking world championship for logic puzzles but I'd be extremely unsurprised to learn there are people who are good at logic puzzles who don't use this site.
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Unfortunately, it would probably be possible for someone to create a computer program to solve these puzzles. I don't know what sorts of mechanisms they have in place to prevent cheating, but I know they had to ban someone over on the Cryptograms section for it. Unless you can validate that everyone here is a human being, you wouldn't be able to officially crown them the world champion.

That said, this is probably still a pretty good indicator, and I like seeing my own progress against the average times as I learn new tricks. It's sometimes a consoling thought for me that the solvers on here are most likely naturally selected to be better than average at puzzling solving.
I agree with what you say about natural gifted at puzzle solving Contrary. As for people using computer programs, I doubt it. The best solvers are real people like Zenobia, pcuser and the usual top 100 players. A computer geek would have to do thousands of puzzles to get a 1st prize here. I am amazed that smyth1mm has so many records in challenge type 4x5's. I'm sure he/she if they played many more games a month would be in the top 5. Same goes for Doomy304 above who I notice has an average of 147.5secs for challenge 4x5,s My congrats to he/she on this IMO a terrific fast time.

Stan

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I think at best this could be the English-speaking world championship for logic puzzles but I'd be extremely unsurprised to learn there are people who are good at logic puzzles who don't use this site.
Hi Doomy304, I mentioned you in dispatches above post. Are there any foreign language site for logic puzzles? I doubt it. I would guess we have many good puzzle solvers here where English is not their first language. A basic knowledge of English would be all that was required to play these puzzles. On the topic of 4x5 challenge type puzzles I find there comes at least one point where I have to sit back and think where the heck do I go from here? Sometimes I go through a list of things to try, like cross referencing, greater/lesser comparisons, looking for psuodo double, etc. Sometimes I am stumped and have to re-read the clues again. I find the 4x5's challenging and great fun.

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