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Old 06-02-2012, 02:40 PM
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the answer is - they cheat! it is impossible to complete in under 2 minutes - my guess is they are copying from the book version they already completed

Love this site, but the 89 second completion records just really frustrate me!!!!

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I don't think so. For me, I know i don't cheat. What is "the book version" anyway. When you have done as many puzzles as the best solvers have, come back here and try again with your silly comments. You can also check the evolution of solve times by tracing them in trophy rooms from the beginning to the present.
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Old 07-16-2012, 09:12 AM
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I am averaging about 400 seconds at the moment, but my best is 120 seconds for a 4x4 and 280 for a 4x5

Working out the ones with really low solve percentages has been a big help, as is starting fresh.

Also it takes about a minute to read the questions, so you only have about 30 or so seconds to make 30 clicks plus any red Xes you need to make.

So doable to get a record but you it takes a bit of luck to pick the correct starting point.

practice is really important, just like learning your multiplication tables.
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Old 07-19-2012, 04:49 PM
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the answer is - they cheat! it is impossible to complete in under 2 minutes - my guess is they are copying from the book version they already completed

Love this site, but the 89 second completion records just really frustrate me!!!!

Quit everybody!
No doubt there are people who don't play by the assumed rules, but I wouldn't say anyone cheats - they all play within the allowed presentation of the website - we just assume that you are not allowed to solve a puzzle, print it off, and use that printout to solve the same puzzle when you get it again. However, that method is allowed by the system, so it's not a cheat
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Old 01-10-2018, 07:37 PM
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Completely agree. Just when you start feeling good about yourself by beating the average times you look over at the comments and see a string of people (all the usual suspects) getting impossible times. If they are cheating in some way then they should be banned from commenting as it kills the morale of others.
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Old 01-11-2018, 06:57 AM
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Not that this method would be of any use for speed as there are so many puzzles and the ones you get are randomly selected.
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Old 01-11-2018, 08:18 AM
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There are many ways to be faster
Retention of prior puzzles and of current clues. Familiarization, (do lots of puzzles).
Frame of mind. In which frame of mind I am in (Bad day, many interrupts, etc.)I can be super fast or not. I have lost to my own high scores many times.
Don't read the back stories anymore. "Only when you are starting out"
Don't read the clues as given. Read in random. The choice of which clue you pick at which time in the puzzle will hugely improve your decisions/score.
Remember patterns. I believe Jeffnn mentioned patterns. This is true. The website has put up new puzzles but only the names have changed.
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Old 01-11-2018, 12:34 PM
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I'd be very careful calling times "impossible" and imply people are cheating. Our brains all work differently, and what seems impossible to some is very easy to others. My son for example thinks these puzzles are boring because they are "always the same". He solves Rubik's Cubes instead. His personal best for a standard 3x3 is 12 seconds, and he can always do it in under 30 seconds. I would call that an impossible time because I probably couldn't do it in five minutes. Yet these fantastic times don't even get him into the second round at competitions because the best participants continuously manage to solve their cubes in under 10 seconds. Every. Single. Try. Just because it seems impossible to most of us doesn't mean it actually is impossible.
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Old 02-16-2018, 10:52 PM
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There are lots of factors for speed. I can generally be fairly fast (having taught logic helps this quite a bit) but if something happens while I am playing (often as I do these at work) my score goes down because I have to check out a noise or similar. Yay night jobs that leave time for puzzles.

I don't think the scores are "impossible" more like a bit of luck on where to start with clues and a lot of practice. I don't think cheating has anything to do with it.

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