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06-04-2013, 06:37 PM
 BillsBayou Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: New Orleans Posts: 77
Today's Challenge - Find the fault in the ladder

I was going to post this one with a plea for help, then I figured out the approach while I was typing the title. I stared at this one for half an hour and found nothing, but the light goes off when I come here. Gee but this forum is so helpful. I got the answer before I posted! You guys are awesome.

Ok, so here's the puzzle in it's blank state:

Logic-Presidents2.gif

I'll post the puzzle at the bottleneck in the first reply to this post.
#2
06-04-2013, 06:40 PM
 BillsBayou Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: New Orleans Posts: 77

Here's the puzzle at the bottleneck. Don't look unless you've really worked it over. There are some complementary exclusion sets and 2x2 sets in there that took me a few iterations to develop. I don't want to spoil your fun.

Logic-Presidents1.gif

At this point only clues 7 and 8 are left.

Can you figure it out from here? I'll post the key to solving this in a later reply if anyone asks; but not until asked.

Last edited by BillsBayou; 06-04-2013 at 06:43 PM.
#3
06-04-2013, 08:50 PM
 shriekingviolet Junior Member Join Date: May 2013 Posts: 13

Oh my gosh, that one was hard! It took me forever to get my filled-in grid to match yours, and then another eternity before that last epiphany hit. I am having a pretty bad brain fog day today though. But I got it eventually.

I have really enjoyed reading through your threads on the hard puzzles/advanced logic. I've learned a lot.
#4
06-04-2013, 08:53 PM
 zenobia43 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 175

I hope this isn't spoiling anything, but the key to this solution, starting from the "stuck" screen shot, is found in a very recent post on this subject.

The symmetry of the open spaces in this puzzle is scary. This is what it looks like if an X was misplaced or a clue was misinterpreted. All those open rectangles beg you to hit the reset button or start trying some of the limited choices that remain to see if you can find a conflict quickly.

The two remaining clues and other available information are all that is needed to solve this with pure logic.
#5
06-04-2013, 09:09 PM
 BillsBayou Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: New Orleans Posts: 77

Quote:
 Originally Posted by zenobia43 I hope this isn't spoiling anything, but the key to this solution, starting from the "stuck" screen shot, is found in a very recent post on this subject.
Yes. Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it. Pretty much sums up me. Ask my wife for more examples.

Quote:
 Originally Posted by zenobia43 The symmetry of the open spaces in this puzzle is scary. This is what it looks like if an X was misplaced or a clue was misinterpreted. All those open rectangles beg you to hit the reset button or start trying some of the limited choices that remain to see if you can find a conflict quickly.
Yeah. Scared me too. I saved a screen shot then hit reset. Then I built the same exact puzzle again.

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 Originally Posted by zenobia43 The two remaining clues and other available information are all that is needed to solve this with pure logic.
That's what they tell us. So far, it appears to be true.
#6
06-04-2013, 09:11 PM
 BillsBayou Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: New Orleans Posts: 77

Quote:
 Originally Posted by shriekingviolet Oh my gosh, that one was hard! It took me forever to get my filled-in grid to match yours, and then another eternity before that last epiphany hit. I am having a pretty bad brain fog day today though. But I got it eventually. I have really enjoyed reading through your threads on the hard puzzles/advanced logic. I've learned a lot.
Glad you enjoyed this one. Happy to hear you could get as far as I did. This one does require a good long massage before giving up its secrets.

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