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zztop
10-26-2008, 10:56 AM
Anyone have tips for getting faster?

red20silver19
10-27-2008, 12:43 PM
From my experience, I think you can speed up by choosing which clues you deal with first, rather than simply going through the list.

I choose to complete the clues in the following order:
1. The 5 people are - this always gives you 9 X's on your grid, so dealing with this first makes that clear.
2. The Positive clues - eg Polly drinks cola
3. The Negative clues - eg Polly does not drink cola
4. The remaining clues

Hope that helps :)

zztop
10-27-2008, 10:50 PM
thanks for that!

Ijust don't know how people can get 200-300seconds! ever

flutefish
10-28-2008, 05:26 AM
You will find that once you get used to the process, you will get much faster. That process is the same one I use, and it works well for me. The other thing I do that helps me get faster time is that after I do the 5 people clue, I do all the clues that have the ranking in them (either $ amt, times, place in line, etc.). Then all the other positive clues, negative clues, and then the remaining clues.

zztop
10-30-2008, 08:15 AM
thanks flutefish

Do you X all boxes?

mikiboop
10-31-2008, 03:09 PM
I'm slow and methodical, so I x most negatives, until I get to the point that I'm moving known positives from the bottom to the top. If I have all the positives in second and third squares down the left, I don't finish second down on the right. You'll know after a while when you have enough info to have all the answers and it's safe to skip some x's.
If you have access to more than one computer, try them all, it makes a big difference. Some just react faster and smoother. Screen shape changes it. With some screens, not all clues fit on the screen and you have to scroll down. Personally, I do better if I take my time because then I don't make mistakes and have to start over.
Interuptions and distractions are my biggest problem.

mcgalas
11-01-2008, 08:13 PM
TO actually submit the solution, you only have to place the green dots in the top 3 sections (left to right). The middle 2 sections and the lowest section do not actually need the green dots... so that could save you up to 15 green clicks (obviously to learn and go thru the clues you will click some of these anyhow, if not most of them).

But that could save time as well. Hope that helps some of you.

flutefish
11-02-2008, 03:54 AM
zztop,

It depends on the puzzle. I X all the boxes for the 5 people clue, always. That always helps me later on. I always mark all the negatives in the first row. I will do the ones below the first row if it helps me. I'd say that it's about a 50-50 split for that. If I have a lot of information in the first row very quickly, I won't do the 2nd and 3rd row of the grid, just work from the top row. If I don't have a lot of information in the first row, i.e. it's all spread around, then I will use the entire grid. So it depends on the puzzle.

Hope that helps.

--Rella

zztop
11-02-2008, 04:31 AM
thanks ALL for your help!

I think I am doing the right things but am just slow.

Also doesn't help when someone else HAS to have computer mid puzzle!

I played for a while before registering - can't believe how much pressure getting good stats puts on you!

Also if I press "Start the Puzzle" too early - grid & clues have not all loaded

Thanks again

Z

MadSlantedPowers
11-04-2008, 07:16 AM
I've improved a lot lately. I used to use a spreadsheet and enter all the options there first before starting the puzzle. Once I would start, I would do the 5 people clue so I would have one item in each of five rows. The autofill feature in the spreadsheet made typing the names quicker. Then I would go back and start filling in the grid with all the clues. When done with that, I'd go back and fill in the spreadsheet some more. There were some things that I could see easier by looking there instead of the grid.

Eventually, I got to the point where now I usually only enter the first 5 person clue into the spreadsheet and don't need to revisit it unless I get stuck. So, now I am regularly scoring over 400 points a puzzle, and even got a high score on one.

Recently I came across a puzzle that kind of threw me off because it didn't have the 5 person clue. I've also come across one recently that either didn't have a First Name category, or it was in the third column instead of the first.

Fhae
12-11-2008, 07:01 AM
What does the 5 people mean?

brandx
12-11-2008, 01:15 PM
they are all the people in the puzzle. identified by one of the categories. the most important clue possibly.

herbalista
01-07-2009, 04:20 PM
I can solve, but I can't seem to really improve my time. I seem to spend all my time putting Xs into boxes, but I can't visualize the results without doing that.

There have to be other ways to get faster. Can any of the really fast people offer some tips?

:cool:

Patty/herbalista

leolemon
04-09-2009, 06:08 PM
the real question is, how LONG have you guys been doing these types of logic puzzles?

moodymom
05-24-2009, 04:14 PM
Learn to take shortcuts. This might take a little practice, but it's worth it. For instance, in puzzles that talk about butterflies, they have some pretty long and obnoxious words. These can slow you down. A lot of the time, the four or five long words in one category will each start with a different letter or syllable.

When you read a clue that says - The Lepidopterous who collects Hesperidae doesn't like chocolate - let your brain take a shortcut. If you have to read the whole thing, read it as - The Lep who collects Hesp doesn't like choc -. You can make this even shorter. The word Lepidopterous doesn't help us to solve any clues. You can skip the word, and learn to spot only the ones that really matter. So the clue becomes - Hesp...doesn't...choc.

The same thing works for phone numbers and license plates. Don't read the whole thing, only enough to identify the clue. UAJ-461 might be the only plate that starts with U. If there's more than one that begins that way, take it only as far as you need to. UAJ-461 and UHU-893 can be separated by the first 2 letters. Skip the rest, it'll only bog you down in unnecessary details.

Finally, if you find yourself getting confused, say it out loud. It solidifies the clue in your mind. I mutter to myself a lot when I'm solving, and it helps. I say things like "Hesp is chocolate" and "You-who (UHU pronounced) isn't first". These things have greatly reduced my solving time, and I make a lot less mistakes now.

Laura
06-05-2009, 07:19 PM
Moodymom, I love your shortcuts. I've done something similar with those longer names and number clues and it has helped me also.

pcuser
12-08-2009, 09:45 PM
When you use a spreadsheet, do you program it to generate logical conclusions from the input X's & O's to generate all possible data as you fill in the clues? Or, do you just use the format for better understanding?
Thanks

urielzet
01-24-2010, 03:20 PM
I think the shortcut that helped me the most in being able to break records is breaking the habit of marking all the Xs associated with an O. It takes a long while to get used to doing it, but I think once you can do that easily, you can get a shot at breaking records as well.